(Last Updated On: May 10, 2021)

What should you expect when you buy the ‘best’? Or is it all much ado about nothing?

The comment from Abyss Headphones that sparked the controversy.
The comment from Abyss Headphones that sparked the controversy.

Abyss Headphones is having a bad week. They’ve likely found that knee-jerk reactions aren’t as beneficial as considered and professional responses. In case you’ve missed the drama making the rounds of the popular headphone enthusiast sites, I’ll do my best to fill you in.

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About Abyss

To set the stage, we should review who Abyss is, and what products they produce. Abyss Headphones is a division of US-based JPS Labs LLC. JPS Labs, founded by Joe Skubinski, has been in business for 30 years, primarily a high-end cable manufacturer. In addition to Abyss Headphones, they also produce StackZilla audio component racks.

Abyss headphones are designed by Joe’s son Eric, and they claim that “we engineer, machine, and assemble our headphones from scratch using the finest materials.” The current Abyss lineup is:

The Abyss headphone lineup. (From abyss-headphones.com)
The Abyss headphone lineup. (From abyss-headphones.com)

Of note, JPS Labs offers a couple of upgrade cables for the Abyss headphones:

The JPS Labs Superconductor upgrade cable. (From: abyss-headphones.com)
The JPS Labs Superconductor upgrade cable. (From: abyss-headphones.com)

All this information has likely led you to form an opinion. Certainly, headphones made by a company offering $1400-$2000 upgrade cables is a controversial topic for many headphone enthusiasts. Regardless, I think it’s fair to assume that Abyss declares their headphones to be of the absolute highest quality.

Abyss only offers a 1 or 3 year warranty on their headphones.
The Abyss headphone standard warranty is limited to 1 year and 3 years for the extended warranty. (From: www.abyss-headphones.com)
The Abyss headphone standard warranty is limited to 1 year and 3 years for the extended warranty. (From: www.abyss-headphones.com)

While it’s always difficult to make a value judgment or any sort of return on investment argument for products at the top price tier, generally we should be able to have trust. Trust in that when purchasing from a boutique manufacturer, one should receive a level of quality in materials, design, and support that is proportionate to the price.

Certainly, the Abyss headphones have many fans, and generally, they are described as being near the pinnacle of sound quality, with unmatched resolution and neutrality.

So what happened to cause all the drama?

The Diana V2. (From: abyss-headphones.com)
The Diana V2. (From: abyss-headphones.com)

ASR Review of the Abyss Diana V2

AudioScienceReview published their review of the Abyss Diana V2 on Monday, Jan 11. The review highlighted some serious concerns, including limited sub-bass response and high measured distortion.


On the physical side, I think you are getting decent offering in the form of “luxury” when it comes to this headphone. Unfortunately, nothing like that comes along on the fidelity front. Both subjectively and objectively there is no there there. [sic]

I like to see near perfection as far as distortion is concerned even if they thought different tonality was merited than our target. At the same time I can’t imagine anyone being able to make a good case that you should have a chunk of your spectrum taken out from the lower to middle treble. This is where a lot of “air” and sense of “hi-fi” exists in music…

In summary, I can’t recommend the Abyss Diana V2.”

In response to critical comments regarding his review, Amir Majidimehr, the founder of ASR, went on to say, “Yes, I have read the other reviews where people say they died and gone to heaven after listening to this headphone. Don’t ask me to rationalize their experiences. I am here to rationalize mine. :)”

The frequency response measurement from ASR's Abyss Diana v2 review. (From: audiosciencereview.com)
The frequency response measurement from ASR’s Abyss Diana v2 review. (From: audiosciencereview.com)

The initial Abyss response to ASR

The official ABYSS Headphones account defensively responded to this criticism in a YouTube comment. “Amateurs need lessons on proper operation and limitations of their test gear before pretending to be someone they’re not.

Unsurprisingly this didn’t alleviate any concerns and served to add fuel to the fire. In the world of online marketing, this was clearly a blunder.

Later, in a couple of Reddit posts, Abyss answered questions regarding this YouTube comment (now deleted). “So you do agree that this comment was very unprofessional and doesn’t speak for the company as a whole?”

Abyss addressed the initial comment on Reddit. u/Abyss-Headphones (From: reddit.com)
Abyss addressed the initial comment on Reddit. u/Abyss-Headphones (From: reddit.com)

“Yes. That comment doesn’t represent the views of Abyss Headphones and doesn’t belong on the company account. We’ve made some internal changes regarding how social media and YouTube comments are handled.” – Abyss-Headphones

Abyss addressed the initial comment on Reddit. u/Abyss-Headphones (From: reddit.com)
Abyss addressed the initial comment on Reddit. u/Abyss-Headphones (From: reddit.com)

”Here at Abyss, audio is our lives both as a career and as a passion. I know I speak for myself and the team when I say that we definitely take every comment and critique very seriously. In this case a member of the team was upset and left a comment that has since been edited.

I would like to clarify that as a team we’re not calling anyone Amateurs. We understand that review-publications have a passion for audio just like us at the Abyss team, and just like the rest of you here.” – Abyss-Headphones

The second Abyss response to the ASR review

Finally, Abyss commented directly (on Reddit) regarding the concerns raised in the ASR review. “But what about the distortion in ASR’s measurements?”

Abyss addressed ASR's review on Reddit. u/Abyss-Headphones (From: reddit.com)
Abyss addressed ASR’s review on Reddit. u/Abyss-Headphones (From: reddit.com)

In response to the measurements: We respectfully don’t believe this is representative of our products or internal measurements. We could publish internal measurements but we believe to avoid the perception of potential bias it’s best for a 3rd party to measure and publish results. We’re currently in the process of getting this set up.” – Abyss-Headphones

Head-Fi weighs in

Jude Mansilla, the founder of Head-Fi stepped up to address the ASR review and posted his own measurements and conclusions. It should be pointed out that Abyss headphones are currently a financial supporter of Head-Fi and that, in the past, Head-Fi has been accused of less than objective responses regarding previous critiques of their sponsors.

Jude Mansilla at Head-Fi responds to the ASR review for the Diana v2. (From: head-fi.org)
Jude Mansilla at Head-Fi responds to the ASR review for the Diana v2. (From: head-fi.org)

“AudioScienceReview used a GRAS 45CA (with GRAS RA0402 ear simulators) and we used the Brüel & Kjær 5128. We also have the same GRAS 45CA setup as AudioScienceReview and have measured with it for six years, so I am very familiar with it…

I agree with Amir at AudioScienceReview that this is an interesting, challenging headphone to measure…Even then, additional care was required with the DIANA V2 as tiny movements over the fixture with this headphone could break seal and radically alter the bass response in one or both channels…

After testing on our GRAS 45CA (identical in configuration to AudioScienceReview’s), I suspect that the results we are seeing in the measurement in Fig.1 were likely due to issues of placement of the headphone on the measurement fixture…” – Jude Mansilla

The Diana Phi. (From: abyss-headphones.com)
The Diana Phi. (From: abyss-headphones.com)

I suspect our measured THD may be lower than AudioScienceReview’s for a couple of reasons: First, we use a Herzan acoustic and vibration isolation enclosure… Second, our measured frequency response had quite a bit more energy approaching 20 Hz… Since both AudioScienceReview and we are expressing THD as a ratio, this should lead to a lower measured percentage in our measurement given our higher measured output there…

I have not looked at all of AudioScienceReview’s headphone measurements, but certainly with this one I think AudioScienceReview should consider re-measuring it and working on better and more careful placement of the headphone on their measurement fixture. Again, we would like to improve our DIANA V2 measurements by adding a two or three more seatings ourselves. I do strongly agree, though, that the ABYSS Headphones DIANA V2 is more challenging than most headphones to measure.” – Jude Mansilla

Head-Fi's frequency response measurements for the Abyss Diana V2. (From: head-fi.org)
Head-Fi’s frequency response measurements for the Abyss Diana V2. (From: head-fi.org)

ASR’s response to Head-Fi

Of course, Amir of ASR had a response for Jude:

I am really disappointed in Jude not calling this out as a high distortion headphone. Nothing like this is acceptable. By papering over this, he is encouraging them to keep building non-performant devices.

Jude did the same thing when we had disagreement with Schiit electronic products. Produced a bunch of graphs, confusing average person when reality was 100% on our side. I hope he doesn’t continue to play this role and becomes an advocate for consumers, not help companies paper over flaws…

In other words, Jude’s frequency response measurements highly correlate with my assessment. Indeed I could develop my EQ using his measurements and arrive somewhere close to where I am!…

Really, it seemed like an aimless effort to spit out a bunch of chart hoping folks get confused and just jump to the punchline that I need more experience. No Jude. You need to verify what you are measuring using listening tests and do more measurements to know what is good, and what is not a good headphone.” – ASR

The drama continues on Head-Fi

Abyss declares war? (From: head-fi.org)
Abyss declares war? (From: head-fi.org)

Somewhat in contrast to the public apology above, both the official Abyss account and Joe Skubinski have continued to post on the Head-Fi thread. Immediately following a user comment ending with “…don’t succumb to the sycophants,” the official Abyss Account posted a link to a clip from the 1983 movie Wargames.

Confusing? Vaguely threatening? It’s certainly open to interpretation. The post did seem to set the tone for following comments from Abyss founder, Joe Skubinski, who appears to be on the warpath regarding Amir and his ASR review.

Joe questions Amir's results. (From: head-fi.org)
Joe questions Amir’s results. (From: head-fi.org)

“In the case of ASR’s measurements… The fact that they published these measurements (with notations on the graphs on how bad the measurements look) seems to point to some sort of biased intent. These are not objective measurements, this is how THEY made them look, subjectively skewed. Anyone in the know who does headphone measurements for a living knows it…

So the question is, why ASR knowingly published flawed measurements? So far the only reason given is they wanted to show how the headphone would ‘sound’ with a gap between ear pad and head. IMO this is nothing but BS, plain and simple.” – Joe Skubinski on Head-Fi

This sort of public sniping in the forums isn’t the sort of professional response expected from a company. Please note that the concerns being raised may be entirely valid, it’s just the tone that is surprising. I can’t help but think that putting aside emotion and establishing a direct (and perhaps offline) conversation with Amir would be far more constructive.

This would help to ensure that everyone is on the same page and measuring the same things, and perhaps they might discover that the gap isn’t as wide as what is being created by airing this for all to see.

Certainly the public impression would improve.

The first photo showing wrinkles on the Abyss 1266 driver. (From: u/RealLordTequila /https://www.reddit.com/r/headphones/comments/kwbqa8/some_russian_madlad_opened_up_his_ab1266_phi_tcs/)
The first photo showing wrinkles on the Abyss 1266 driver. (From: u/RealLordTequila)

Pictures of Wrinkled Abyss 1266 Drivers Appear on Reddit

While all the ASR drama was going on, a couple of Reddit r/headphones posts (post 1, post 2) gained notoriety. In these posts, two unconnected owners of the TOTL Abyss 1266 opened up the cups to take a look at the drivers. What they found were wrinkles all around the edges of the planar diaphragm material.

The 2017 driver post referenced a Russian forum post from 2018.
Another post appears with wrinkled 1266 drivers. (From: u/HodorNoMoreHodoring /https://www.reddit.com/r/headphones/comments/kx6j0i/just_opened_up_my_original_abyss_1266_this_is_the/)
Another post appears with wrinkled 1266 drivers. (From: u/HodorNoMoreHodoring)
In a planar magnetic design, the conductors are applied directly to the flat surface of a very thin and flexible film diaphragm, which is suspended in a magnetic field. This design improves control of the diaphragm to move more evenly within the magnetic field. Compared to a dynamic driver, the potential benefits are improved bass response and extension.

Theoretically, wrinkles in the thin driver diaphragm will have an unintended impact on the sound generated by the driver.

Cable concerns

Abyss addressed the wire concerns on Reddit. u/Abyss-Headphones (From: reddit.com)
Abyss addressed the wire concerns on Reddit. u/Abyss-Headphones (From: reddit.com)

Feelings around the eternal cable debate also stirred the pot. The thin internal wires pictured in the 1266 photos have caused an uproar. The company sells $2000 upgrade cables and the appearance of the internal wiring is of stark contrast.

Abyss addressed the wire concerns on Reddit. u/Abyss-Headphones (From: reddit.com)
Abyss addressed the wire concerns on Reddit. u/Abyss-Headphones (From: reddit.com)

The Abyss response to the Reddit photos

These pictures led to further responses both from the official Abyss account and from YouTube reviewer and current Abyss employee DMS. Unfortunately, these responses to the driver images were somewhat unclear, accusatory, and contradictory. DMS weighed in with regards to the 2017 driver post:

DMS Reddit comments. u/DMS-Official (From: https://www.reddit.com)
DMS Reddit comments. (From: u/DMS-Official)

“I work at abyss and personally felt the need to clarify. This is NOT a Phi-TC, it’s an older model and isn’t representative of our production drivers.

Edit: It looks to me like this driver has actually been damaged. I’ve seen drivers from this era around and they don’t look like this. Generally they hold up really well unless someone tampers with them or exposes them to extreme circumstances.” DMS-Official

The official Abyss account also initially implied that the driver imperfections were likely the fault of the owner, would not pass quality control measures, and that current production models do not show this issue.

Abyss addressed the wrinkling concerns on Reddit. u/Abyss-Headphones (From: reddit.com)
Abyss addressed the wrinkling concerns on Reddit.  (From: u/Abyss-Headphones)

“The headphone pictured is NOT an AB-1266 Phi TC, it’s an older model that we no-longer produce. From the pictures it appears to be damaged either from (I would assume unintentional/accidental) tampering or extreme operating conditions.

Our TC models have a very different looking driver and tight QC. The headphone pictured wouldn’t pass QC and we certainly wouldn’t allow it to be shipped.” – Abyss-Headphones

Abyss official statement

Abyss attempted to address the concerns by releasing a somewhat obtuse statement, stating that the wrinkling is perfectly normal for the 2013 version of the 1266 headphones.  However their response regarding the 2017 driver is open to interpretation on whether the wrinkling is normal or not.  “This driver still changes in tension during use to achieve optimal operating tension. As a result of these changes, this driver did not have as low of a resting tension as the original (OG) AB-1266. The difference we’re talking about here can be rather subtle.”

Normal or not?

Abyss says the wrinkles are 'normal' on Reddit. u/Abyss-Headphones (From: reddit.com)
Abyss says the wrinkles are ‘normal’ on Reddit. u/Abyss-Headphones (From: reddit.com)

“Here we’re looking at two different generations of drivers. It’s important to note that neither of which are representative of the current TC model in both design and construction.

In the case of the original AB-1266 driver (production year 2013) these wrinkles pictured are normalThis picture is normal for the 1st generation design…” – Abyss-Headphones

Abyss 2017 driver
…We’ve tested thousands of drivers, over a wide range of extreme conditions, before releasing them into the wild. In the rare case that we see a driver fall outside of spec, our experience tell us that it’s likely due to conditions far outside of normal use.” – Abyss-Headphones

It’s tough to know what to trust when the story seems to change. Are the wrinkles perfectly normal for these models and do not adversely affect the sound? If they are normal, then isn’t it odd to assure readers that current drivers do not show this wrinkling, and to imply that it was as a result of the owner’s negligence, or “conditions far outside of normal use”?

Another picture with wrinkled 1266 drivers. (From: u/HodorNoMoreHodoring /https://www.reddit.com/r/headphones/comments/kx6j0i/just_opened_up_my_original_abyss_1266_this_is_the/)
Another picture with wrinkled 1266 drivers. (From: u/HodorNoMoreHodoring)

One owner’s response to Abyss

The owner of the 1266 headphones (2013 version) addressed the implications raised by Abyss through many comments (summarized below). He made it clear that he’s generally very happy with how the headphones sound, but is dismayed by the driver’s appearance and the response from Abyss. He also posted a video of opening up the left cup.  Again, driver wrinkling is clearly evident.

Abyss addressed the wire concerns on Reddit. u/HodorNoMoreHodoring (From: reddit.com)
Abyss addressed the wire concerns on Reddit. u/HodorNoMoreHodoring (From: reddit.com)

“This is my personal 1266 that I opened after I saw the pics of the russian guy’s driver. If you click on the imgur link there are 2 more pictures. It is not the angle. The driver is super uneven and wrinkled around the edges

i literally just took out the 8 screws. carefully lifted open the lid. took a few pics and then put the screws back in. i was super careful and I am an av engineer with electrical and audio soldering skills. so i felt pretty comfortable doing it

It has lived in my temperature controlled room. They sound fine. The bass only rattles the whole headphone and sounds bloated if i crank my mjolnir 2 to like 3-4 oclock volume…

I’m not sure if it sounds wrong because this is the only 1266 i have ever heard. I was extremely disheartened to find the wrinkles though on my driver as that can’t be good for sound quality. I don’t know if this is just normal break in or if my drivers or damaged, but i certainly did not put them in any extreme temperatures to damage them and and I babied them…

they sound no different from before or after i opened it. I have never heard another 1266. so i don’t know if they have any tonal abnormalities. i will try to try a phi tc soon to compare. hopefully abyss will let me upgrade to the phi drivers at a discount or on the house. Honestly I enjoy them better than my HEKSE and hd800. superior imaging and detail.”

It appears that this situation could have been easily handled. Doesn’t it seem obvious for Abyss to immediately contact the affected owners directly and initiate a warranty repair? To head concerns off at the pass? It is not unreasonable to expect companies to step up and prove why their headphones are worth a premium.

In the end, it all comes down to service.

All companies should take care of their customer’s concerns, regardless of whether they consider them valid or not. However, rather than displaying concern or care, the tone from Abyss was defensive and full of blame. And let’s not forget, these customers paid $5000 for these headphones.

Boiling It All Down

There is a lot of information to digest. In a nutshell, there are two different issues raised with Abyss this week. First is the ASR review:

Abyss responds to the measurements and conclusions made by a popular headphone review site ASR, on their Diana V2 headphones, as ‘amateur’ and uneducated (comment later removed and retracted). They state that they are looking for a third party to perform measurements. The third party that responds is Head-Fi, who is financially sponsored by Abyss. While the new measurements are fairly similar, the interpretation of these results differs between ASR and Head-Fi.

Secondly the pictures of wrinkled 1266 drivers on Reddit:

Two unrelated individuals with different versions of 1266 headphones post pictures showing similar wrinkled drivers. The official Abyss account and their employee DMS respond implying that this is due to owner misuse. Abyss then contradicts their first response and says it is normal for these earlier versions to look this way, but assures that the current version does not have wrinkles.

Further Questions and Considerations

We are left with a lot of outstanding questions that should be considered before we draw any conclusions.

  • Are the ASR results indicative of a problem? Did ASR measure or interpret the results accurately?
  • Can we trust the Head-Fi measurements or conclusions of their sponsor’s product?
  • Are there driver quality control issues in previous or current Abyss models? And if so, do wrinkles in the drivers negatively impact the sound, or are they (as later claimed) meant to be there?
Remember, measurements do not equate to sound quality. While measuring headphones may be objective, interpreting the results is entirely subjective.

What Should Abyss Do?

First and foremost, Abyss should take a proactive approach to resolve their customer’s concerns. They must not allow isolated incidents to blow up and (perhaps permanently) color the community’s perception of their products.

Clearly, Abyss has communication issues. Knee-jerk responses, contradictory information, and customer blame does far more lasting financial and reputational damage than offering the occasional repair.

Abyss really needs an available publicist to draft all company communications. Then they must follow up internally to ensure that their employees know and follow proper communication procedures. In short, they should learn from this situation.

Step up and offer a lifetime warranty. Sure, this may impact the bottom line, but it’s the right thing to do for customers who pay for these TOTL products. As I tell my six-year-old, every time we make a mistake, it presents an opportunity to learn and improve.